Sunday, October 23, 2011
Phone tapping
This semester I’ve been doing a subject called ‘Introduction to Journalism.’ Despite initial doubts I’ve enjoyed it a lot.
We’ve spent a lot of time discussing ethics in journalism and what journalists should and shouldn’t be allowed to do. I’ve found that I have something of a tendency to take the moral high-ground. Last week’s question was about whether a need to tell the truth should trump other concerns, like privacy. I had the desire to write 'NO' 250 times and submit that as my response. Journalists have a responsibility to not only inform the general populace but respect and protect them. My opinion on the phone hacking thing? That it is not cool. At all. Ever. Your counter argument is invalid.
Then I had an epiphany.
When it comes to comedy I don’t think anything is sacred. Or that it should be. If we start restricting what satire can touch on the grounds that people might get offended, it becomes impossible to know when to draw the line. The strength of comedy (and its power to actually make a difference in the world) lies in its ability to target the important things. The very nature of important things means people might get upset by that. Sometimes I won’t agree with a joke. That does not mean a comedian should not be allowed to make that joke. I will jump up and down in defence of this point.
It occurred to me that these are potentially two rather hypocritical opinions for one person to hold. Why is it that I believe journalists should have to stay firmly within an ethical code but that comedians should be allowed to push the limits of good taste and decency?
I’m sure I’m not the only person who falls into this moral grey area. In fact I’d be willing to bet that rather a large portion of my readers hold these opinions too. So let’s stop and think for a moment- why is journalism so different to comedy?
I have deep respect and admiration for what journalists do. I wouldn’t be doing a journalism course if I didn’t envisage some freelance in my future. Good journalism is a thing to be marvelled at. Unfortunately, not all journalism is good.
Maybe that is wherein lies the difference. We don’t often hear about bad comedy. Bad comedy dies a million horrible deaths in front of audiences who don’t laugh. It becomes clear very quickly when someone has gone too far (I saw a stand-up do this once. Half the audience walked out. It was awful). Bad journalism on the other hand, sells papers. I’m sure you could easily hazard a guess at how I feel about, say, The Sunday Telegraph. They used to publish Calvin and Hobbes. This is a good thing I have to say about them.
No comedian ever tapped someone’s phone. And then there’s the fact that, without sensationalist journalism, very few jokes would ever become controversial in the first place. See what I mean about taking the moral high-ground? Whenever I lay all my arguments on the table like this, I feel as though I’m trying to justify my opinions rather than actually plotting out the issue. Maybe this is all too subjective to ever really arrive at a conclusion?
I don’t have a definitive answer to this question. But it is one that’s been plaguing me rather a lot. Hey look! I’ve written a blog that I want to incite discussion! Never done that before. I’d love to hear what you think about all this.
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There's not such thing as pure truth in journalism. What they really mean is 'stuff that happened' and 'an accurate as possible description of stuff that happened' but how you represent the 'stuff' is always going to be through the lens of people who tell you how it was and people are naturally subjective.
ReplyDeleteOne of my hats is as a feature writer for a business magazine and a lot of my work is picking the right interviewees. Representing what they say accurately (ie within context) is no guarantee that what they're saying is correct. Thus fact-checking becomes really important.
The thing about comedy is that the best kind is true without having to be 'an accurate as possible description of stuff that happened'.
In comedy, it's better to ask forgiveness than ask permission, because we don't take jokes as fact.
ReplyDeleteBecause journalism informs opinions and is the present tense of history, it's the other way around. There are more ethics to journalism because there's more potential to cause concrete damage, both to individuals and society, whereas a distasteful joke might just hurt feelings.
I think it comes down to this: as a society, we need to be more willing to say sorry when we're in the wrong. This culture of litigation has made us a society of buck-passers and finger-pointers.
Just a couple of points, that's all. Nothing coherent at all.
In comedy, people expect you to push the boundaries - they go in having that expectation and are okay with challenging any ideas mentioned.
ReplyDeleteIn journalism, people pick up a newspaper and expect something that is balanced and tells the truth about both sides of the stories. They start reading not worrying about having to think to deeply about the topic - and unfortunately generally believing whatever is written.
Or something like that, anyway.
Poor journalism is a huge problem because there are so many people who continue to believe everything they read or see or hear.
ReplyDeleteJournalists who write rubbish, disrespect privacy, convince vulnerable people to give interviews, or otherwise act unethically or unprofessionally should be held responsible for helping to spread so much mis-information and misery.
Journalists need to be aware of their power and use it wisely.
Comedians on the other hand are there to entertain not inform, so the ethics/privacy issue is in a totally different context.
First of all- how much fun is this? Sorry. I find this very exciting. Look at all these awesome people saying insightful things on my blog!
ReplyDeleteA lot of what everyone's been saying comes down to intent. I interviewed a couple of commedians the other night and one said "Some commedians are in it to make people laugh, some want to change the world."
I think a lot of commedians really do want to get a point across. Even if sometimes that point is trivial. Does that make a difference?
(I was first!)
ReplyDeleteComedy is communication, and communication has a point (at least it should) whether that's to inform, entertain, change the world. It's up to the relationship between the creator and his/her audience/readership as to whether that's successful.
When people claim they've been misunderstood, it's a symptom of poor communication, that something has been lost in translation.
I'm reminded of McKenzie Wark's vector lecture but I'll save that for another day.
This comment was made by my friend Scott on Facebook. Just copying it over.
ReplyDelete"I definitely agree comedy should have no bounds. I would think one of the most important differences in ethics between journalism and comedy is one of purpose, people go to journalists to be informed and comedians to be entertained (although we may be informed by comedians anyway.) But what do I know I'm just a science student. Also here's a relevant quote:
http://i.imgur.com/EX5v4.jpg"
Comedy can be a GREAT way to get a point across, because it gets people's defences down to hit them with a big issue. But if comedians want to play hard ball, it's probably better that it be a case of far-reaching social issues rather than kicking people when they're down. The Chaser's Make A Realistic Wish sketch was one of those that (somewhat unintentionally) made fun of those who don't deserve to be made fun of. Racist, rape and dead baby jokes I would personally also put in the same category - not just bad taste, but offensive, because they hurt people who have already been hurt.
ReplyDeleteBut real journalism isn't, and should never be fun and games. Why? Because people quote journalism to influence other people's opinions. And like I said before, today's journalism is tomorrow's history.
"The Chaser's Make A Realistic Wish sketch was one of those that (somewhat unintentionally) made fun of those who don't deserve to be made fun of. Racist, rape and dead baby jokes I would personally also put in the same category - not just bad taste, but offensive, because they hurt people who have already been hurt."
ReplyDeleteI completely disagree with the sentiment of this comment. Comedy should have literally no boundaries. Comedy is about using words, gestures, movement, imagery etc to manipulate the audience's expectations and, in the end, to make them laugh. There shouldn't be any restrictions placed on this, other than that it should be 'good' (as in quality, not morality) and funny.
It was only a matter of time before someone bought up "Make a Wish" wasn't it?
ReplyDeleteI have to kind of agree with Ben. The problem I had with The Chaser sketch was not the content. It just wasn't very funny. And I'm willing to stand up now and say that yes, I have written rape jokes (none of them ever got to air of course). I regularly use the word "rapey" in a humorous context. And I have laughed at dead baby jokes. It takes rather a lot to offend me. I think that's one of my strengths as a comedy writer.
That is part of the point I'm trying to make- I really believe comedy should be allowed to say ANYTHING. I have a tendancy toward radical views.
Hmmm... really should have read the other comments before rushing to write my own. People have already said a lot of similar things. Apologies.
ReplyDeleteOkay, weird. Looking back it seems my comment didn't post. Lucky I'm a nerd and copied and pasted it into word to spell check. Here it is:
ReplyDeleteI think both journalism and comedy go awry when they pick on people and subjects that are weak or downright powerless. I think that's the problem with The Chaser sketch, and it's also the problem with Today Tonight 'catching out' immigrant minorities or poorer occupations like taxi drivers and cleaners, etc.
Don't get me wrong, you can joke about anything, but it’s all about HOW you joke about it. A comedian’s job is to (through perspective) create a surprising intersection between reason and unreason that will produce laughter. As long as people are laughing at the result of that process, rather than laughing in a prejudicial sneer of agreement regarding merely the subject matter, then it's probably all right.
Also... I think there is a far greater sense of duty associated with journalism. If your goal is to inform and educate, then you need to prioritise what it is you inform people about and through what method/s you ought to educate them.
Whereas in comedy, your goal is to get laughs, so there aren't so many moral decisions you need to make regarding subject matter and method.
In journalism I think you’re trying to help people understand the world, in comedy you’re trying to confuse people about the world – as that will make them laugh.
Really enjoyed reading this,
Evan.
PS. Thanks for commenting on my piece, glad it gave you a laugh.
Evan- I think you made some really good points. Especially in regard to HOW. I think that's important.
ReplyDeleteTo clarify my previous comment (so you don't all think I'm a horrible person) I don't think people should make offensive jokes. But the reason I think that is because THOSE JOKES ARE NOT FUNNY. Good comedians often make slightly dodgy jokes in a clever way to make a point. And that I very much approve of.
Anthony Jeselnik's dead baby joke is brilliant. And, I'm sure, for anyone with kids, offensive.
ReplyDelete"You don’t know anything about pain… You don’t know anything about pain until you’ve seen your own baby drowned in a tub…
And you definitely don’t know anything about how to wash a baby."
Now, there's no "point" being made there. It's just a good joke. So... yep. Good discussion, y'all!
ooo discussion!
ReplyDeleteI think this goes beyond comedy and journalism for me. I work in the creative arts industry and I think any art or entertainment, whether it be stand-up, theatre, visual art, music, dance ANYTHING is able to deal with any topic, no matter how controversial it is, in a manner that is as comedic or serious as they like. The whole point is that stuff like this is presenting ideas, and stories and jokes etc with an angle. No performance like this is objective, and nor is it meant to be. The whole point is to make people think, or laugh, or judge, or cry or react in some way, or not react in some way, whatever. It's open to interpretation.
Journalism on the other hand is meant to tell people what is going on in the world, factually and without bias. Sure, it may be well-written or filmed or whatever and might therefore be considered someone's art. But it's not open to interpretation. At least, it's not meant to be. I dropped out of a journalism degree after one semester because I couldn't stand the people around me who thought they were going to be the next channel 10 anchor. It's not about getting famous, surely?! I see journalism as a service.
Also, *confession time* I've never actually seen the "Make a Wish" sketch. Should probably get on that.
Julian from the Chaser gave an excellent talk about this, but I can't remember what it was for. It was after the Make A Realistic Wish sketch aired, and it talked about the difference between being offensive and being hurtful. The general gist of it is that being "offended" is an empty term. It really doesn't mean anything other than "I personally found that distasteful". And what does that even mean anyway? But he pointed out that comedy should probably draw a line at actually hurting people.
ReplyDeleteWhereas if someone says something malicious or something that ends up genuinely hurting someone in some way is that okay?
With journalism there is a much greater risk of genuinely hurting someone by, for example, leaking sensitive information or creating a fake picture of said person and what they are like. It can be defamatory. On the other hand, comedy takes what we know and pokes fun at it. There is much less chance of real and lasting damage with comedy. And, nine out of ten times, when comedians start getting really overly-mean audiences tend not to respond well to it anyway.
-Tim
I realise that second paragraph doesn't make sense because I made some changes and didn't revise it. What it should read:
ReplyDeleteBasically we need to be asking ourselves: If someone says something malicious that genuinely ends up hurting another person, is that okay?
The thing Tim's talking about is the 2009 Andrew Ollie media lecture. And it is AMAZING. I have the transcript saved on my computer and go back to it all the time. Worth a look.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2009/09/18/2690455.htm
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ReplyDeleteI am very much reminded of the quote by Stephen Fry that begins, "so you're offended. So fucking what?"
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